30,000,000 x 100 = 3 billion. Gogeta was powerful, but more powerful than Beerus is bogus, since A). ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. As proven when Jiren said: "Both of your attacks are sharper" and when Goku Blue Kaioken + Vegeta Blue Evolution was attacking Jiren, Jiren tanked in all those hits and he was largely still sealing his powers off and during the Saiyan's assualt, never once did Jiren release anymore power/Ki nor his face expressions changed to a slightly more annoyed expression. ... Was it even stated Brolys power continuously raises? SSJ4 Gogeta, or Vegito if he existed, don't stand a chance. Because Super Saiyen God or ssg goku was 70% of beerus. Beyond that fight, Goku has never saw what Beerus is capable of (anime). @karkus: Still doesn't prove Beerus is any means weaker does it? Already did. @karkus: Might and Probably are the same? Even if you disagree the basis of your argument is still dumb, cause both Gogeta and Beerus scale far above Buuhan. The real debate should be SSJB vegito vs Beerus. In Xenoverse, pairing Gogeta against Beerus will make Beerus say "Hohoho! Bias against GT or Super aside, who would win? Does that make a lick of sense scaling wise? @karkus: I asked you to provide proof first.If you can provide evidence to say that Broly is on Beerus' level then I will find it secondly... Marketing and announcement hypes don't count... @chasekilleen: I never claimed Broly was on Beerus's level. Did the authors make Trunks overpowered for no particular reason other than fanservice? Knowing Beerus he wouldn't just stand by when he senses someone stronger than him. And if they did I dare you to quote me from the movie/Toriyama or Toyotaro/any legitimate proof from a credible source to say that Broly and Gogeta was on Beerus' level. You can't compare Beerus especially since, he has never shown his full strength. R2: Depends on whether Gogeta Blue held back against Broly or not. Tbh we could get clear confirmation on who wins if toei can tell us who's stronger between Vegito and beerus. Yeah, but we can get an idea that he used a good amount when he fought Champa in the baseball episode. -The only thing they know about each other is that Beerus is a god of destruction, and that SSJ4 Gogeta is a fusion of 2 saiyans ; And that each might be stronger than anything they've faced before. Meanwhile SSB is an advancement of a form that could physically destroy the universe with shockwaves from physical attacks. The Super never stated how much power Beerus even used when fighting Goku God form.The movie said close to 70%, but clearly he was bluffing, but that statement is full of crap anyway, since when Super anime came out, it retconned that entire statement.The only mortal beings capable of beating Beerus are Goku Mastered UI and Jiren and also his limit breaker form. Although, there were statements outside the show saying Broly was stronger than a God of Destruction. This means ssg goku was around 2,100,000,000. Judging by what we see in the movie Gogeta Blue hasn't shown anything that's comparable to Jiren in Tournament of Power. @karkus: What? Because Beerus never worried about Broly. !AND HIS TRANSFORMING INTO IT WITHOUT BEING FUSED IN THEIR SUPER SAIYAN 4 STATE. @karkus: I never said Beerus stomps Broly. Now if by multiplying 10 by 30 mill = 10% then multiplying 100 = 100%. His power will be retconned until he's more powerful than Zeno, Seriously Goku should wipe the floor with him by realistic scaling even without UI, OT: I think it's been established that Super>GT in terms of power so Beerus should win. Never has Whis nor anyone else stated that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was. Buu was going to destroy the mortal universe, there is nothing suggesting otherworld would have been destroyed too. There are battles on this forum with SSJB Vegito vs Beerus. Goku's power scaling was never 100% correct. Just think back to Trunks cleaving Fused Zamasu in half. All I want is crystal clear answers from a credible source. MUI Goku surpasses Beerus and Jiren was able to swap hands with MUI Goku. © 2020 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. Gogeta via having an awesome design, beyond anything seen in Super. The threat was the after-effect, and only over time. Quotes? then again gogeta can just kill the supreme kai and easily neg, Beerus grabs Gogeta by hair and says hakai. Thanks, I needed a light- Sanji. Even base super goku solostomps GT. Thx for watching Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/_.attila._145/ So,Gogeta goes 100% and again,wins with even more scratches.Finally, the Omniking.I say the Omniking is stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. Gogeta 100x BBK > Gogeta SS4 (dozens of times stronger than an SS4) > SS4 (>= SS vegito) > SS vegito > Buuhan (near-universal). Meaning he is much stronger than he was before. Whilst Jiren was heavily supressed. That was the ever-expanding, strength gaining shockwaves, not the impact. So Arale is stronger than Vegeta and Goku is she? This isn't like the T.O.P. When Jiren was heavily supressed, Whis states that 'His power enters the domain of the God of Destruction, or even surpassed it'. In other words, anyone with twice the energy (power) of Beerus would be 2-C. @Hizack123 Goku outright states that Broly is 'probably' stronger than Beerus. Doesn't leave too much room for imagination xD. ?Then how do you know that Gogeta is stronger than Beerus just because he dominated Broly...Beerus never showed 100% of his power so Goku only compared Broly's power to Beerus when he fought against him in the God of Destruction arc...There's no evidence to suggest that Broly nor Gogeta was more powerful than Beerus.They might can push Beerus.But defeating him is ridiculous.Beerus has millions years more training and fighting experience than the two combined... Beerus UI (Whis said he haven't his master UI) >>>>>> Beerus full power (Goku can never see Beerus using FP) >>>> SSB gogeta >> LSSJ Broly > LB jiren = MUI Goku. He acknowledged Jiren was far from full power, so it's more likely he was referring to what he thought his full power was. Even if he did, this is a battle between him and Beerus, he's not gonna let him leave and find the Supreme Kai. Gogeta is the Metamoran Fusion of Goku and Vegeta, formed to defeat Broly. So yeah he might legit be near Angle tier. I don't recall Jiren bursting his way out of a dimension via force or anything like that. During the Super's [Revival of F arc.] @karkus: Why are you comparing feats to a gag episode? clearly something is wrong with that hence why scaling is as important as feats. It was heavily implied that in both manga and anime that Belmod is stronger than Beerus. He was just chilling and keeping an eye on everyone's Ki.He only said "Looks like they have managed it". Still gogeta via scaling. You don't know anything about the English language. Gogeta Blue stomped someone comparable to Beerus without much effort, meaning Gogeta is likely much stronger than that. And go to 3:06. I could point to some scaling, but why should I bother. I'd be sweating too. He has seen Beerus going all out in the manga (GoDs battle royale) and in the anime (Beerus vs Champa). According to Goku, Beerus is around the level of Broly. His power remained mostly undefined throughout Super other than being much stronger than SSB. Since Champa is weaker than Beerus,I put him 30% SSJ4 Gogeta. It only said "Mightiest vs. Mightiest" and "Strongest enemy they ever faced.". If the two brothers were serious then they would've actually released more of their Ki's. I don't see Beerus stomping Broly like Gogeta did. I never claimed Broly was stronger than Beerus. SSJ Broly was also the one who fought Golden Frieza, not LSSJ Broly, who was compared to Beerus. It's more likely he compared it to Beerus when he fought Champa in Episode 69 of DBS, since that was the first time he saw a serious Beerus fight. Gogeta vs Beerus Power Levels - Dragon Ball Super - YouTube Probably > Might. Base Gogeta (DBS) vs. Vegito Blue (DBS) Considering how insane and ludicrous the scaling and power creep between each arc is in DBS, I thought this would be an interesting match. Plus, Gogeta only lasts for 30 minutes. If we go by feats over scaling then we end up with stuff like SSG Ritual Goku > Jiren/broly. While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. Read Gogeta vs Beerus from the story Dragon Ball Xeno: Part one by Silenttoast132 with 344 reads. In the 40 minutes we've seen Jiren broke Goku's and Vegeta's limits many, many times, by giving them a massive Zenkai boost. The fact he took years to build that much energy shows OS himself is actually even weaker than that, so beating him isn't really much of an achievement here. Furthermore, many, many times has Goku been mistaken about his own and other people's power, he either always over/under estimates it. In my honest opinion it's Beerus. @tony501: Belmod is stronger than Beerus. The strongest SS4, Gogeta, fodderized Omega Shenron....who did nothing noteworthy. In August of last year, it was said that Broly was stronger than Beerus. Bloodmatch. @deathwingterminatort1000: Gogeta only lasts 15 minutes max in Ssj4 so he doesn't even have the standard 30 minutes. @phantasial: Threatning to bust the universe multiple times casually>>>>deflecting a ball that would gradually errode the universe. Broly on the other hand neither made Beerus bat an eye, nor did he make Goku and Vegeta break their own limits and also Goku and Vegeta never used their Kaioken and Evolution (respectively) So we can definitely say that didn't try their absolute hardest. Tier: Low 2-C | At least Low 2-C. Name: Gogeta Origin: Dragon Ball. So yeah, good list! @tony501: In the manga:Belmod is able to damage all of the Gods of Destruction by capturing them in Imprisonment Balls and attacking with Energy Cards. I would put SSJ4 Gogeta at 100%, 10% Omniking!So,he just goes full power and thrashes SSJ4 Gogeta. ... least equal to Gogeta if not stronger since Beerus wasn't even that interested even when he sensed both Broly's and Gogeta's power. I can say for 100% certainty though that Gogeta Blue >Full Power Jiren > Omen Goku 3rd time since Gogeta bodied a person with identical statements to Omen Goku at least. Jiren heavily surpressed scared Beerus, to the point that he was sweating and was nearly in despair. God Ki is needed in this fight, and even if SSJ4 Gogeta can damage hum with punches and kicks, it still most likely will be weaker than Beerus. Keep in mind this is Vegeta post Battle of Gods, Golden Frieza, Universe 6 vs 7, Black Goku/Future Trunks arc. As we all know Whis is a teacher/mentor of a God of Destruction, so he knows pretty much every nooks and cranny regarding the powers of a God of Destruction. It's just a gag episode, Champa and Beerus were never serious. I have stated that Goku was only comparing it to Beerus when he was fighting with him at the start of the Super series when attained his God form. Beerus playing around with him is reminiscent of 50% Frieza playing around with Namek-Saga Goku which was a power level difference of only ~20x. Made Goku scared just by showing 'a hint' of his true power.Gogeta/Broly did none of that even remotely close to what Jiren did when heavily surpressed try again. Yes, you stated that, but it's unsure if it's true. In the movie Beerus knew that Goku and Vegeta could handle it and if Broly really did potentially endanger Beerus' position as a God of Destruction then why didn't Whis or Beerus himself intervene? This is a big difference between "You might be stronger" than "On-par or entered the domains and POTENTIALLY even surpassing it" Moreover Jiren's tiny little amount of Ki released made Beerus sweat like a piss fountain and when he released a "hint of his true power" made Goku revert back to his base form, because he has realised the gap between them. @tony501: Again with the baseless argument, with no proof whatsover...Any links? SSJ4 Gogeta vs. Beerus. Might means maybe, while probably means most likely. Just can't imagine the power level of something like SSGSS3 Vegito or some crazy shit like that. B). @phantasial: Dumb comparison considering Broly and Jiren both trashed stronger versions of SSG Goku, and while yes scaling is more important in cases like that DBS and GT don’t scale to each other which is why feats are more important. Well, all of those words mean more or less the same thing, as I'm sure you know. SSJB Vegito or Gogeta- if that ever happened, would be a way better match up. They all show that something is possible. Going by feats for one character while scaling for the other is stupid, especially when Beerus(the character with feats) would scale massively above Buuhan as well. It evidently concludes that they don't think of Broly as a threat (universally) in anyway. R1: Beerus stomps. And Belmod never got injured by Liqeueur's attacks and at the end, Belmod was the only God of Destruction that never got injured, despite the fact that he was attacked multiple times... Belmod even confirms that "Jiren is a being that never loses, no matter who he's up against"For a someone that a God of Destruction cannot defeat means that the other individual is more powerful than the Gods. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball - General This is ... a Spirit Bomb that was stated later in the Tournament to rival SS2 Kefla in raw power, ... since we don't know what level of UI Beerus has access to. anyways. If Jiren beats the team, then Beerus gets erased. Not with collision. beerus is only Universal via feats. That says Gogeta or Broly is on Beerus'level. We have not seen the true power of Beerus yet.This debate might never be answered, since there's technically no right or wrong answers. ?Do you not understand synonyms?? Beerus, Super powerscaling is greater than GT's one. Beerus power level at 100% is around 3 billion. Perhaps Gogeta could damage him, but I just think that he's above him. He thrashed Goku Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken X20 and tanked in hits from Goku Kaioken Blue and Vegeta Blue Evolution whilst still surpressed. ", while Gogeta will say "Maybe I can win against Lord Beerus now." @mainjp: There's no proof whatsoever to indicate Gogeta stronger than Beerus. I don't want any vague BS or excuses or any other useless comparisons from a stupid gag episode. And? I personally like Gogeta more, so for me, he wins. Whis literally stated that Jiren when supressed was "in the domains of a God of Destruction or surpassing it" and even Belmod himself in the manga has admitted that Jiren is more powerful than him, combat wise. He acknowledges that the power Jiren is showing right now isn't his full power, meaning he's likely gauging a Full Power Jiren. In Super, it's never stated which percentage Beerus actually used so it's difficult to judge. I … You did, and still haven't provided any evidence. It is the time limit and whether they manage to stay fused that is the kicker in that fight. filler is canon to GT so i'm not sure why it's brought up. Gogeta, one of Dragon Ball's strongest, is the Metamoran fusion of Goku and Vegeta that was introduced to us canonically during Dragon Ball Super: Broly.Being a fusion, this form increases their power level tremendously, as seen in the movie, where they … Hit's dimensions were the size of a small building. I dare you to find me a quote from Toriyama and Toyotaro, or anything from a legitimate source. Heavily suppressed Jiren being stronger than Beerus doesn't fit with other statements such as that MUI "might" be stronger than Beerus. That's an amazing power! beerus locks at universal. SS4 Gogeta simply lay for having the coolest design in the Dragonball lore. Gogeta and Broly hasn't even shown anything that's close to what Jiren was capable of during the Tournament of Power. @chasekilleen: Vegito in the Black Arc was said to rival Beerus by Shin in the manga, I feel like Post ToP he surpassed him given the fact it was said Gogeta=Vegito in one of the guid book I saw once for the movie, there is also the fact Jiren is confirmed by the angels to be high GoD Tier And stronger than Belmod who I believe is in the Top 5 strongest GoDs with Beerus and quitela at the Top with Jiren in their level more or less(Beerus can’t be that much stronger than Belmod) And Broly is evry bit as strong as Jiren or maybe more in raw power given Freiza’s statement and Goku’s as well, he also outmatched SSj Gogeta who is already in the GoDs range of power given the fact his base form is stronger than Blue Goku/Vegeta by the lock on piccolo when they fuse, Now Broly does lack the skills and experience Beerus has but Gogeta power is so great he can overcome it with nearly equal skills anyway given the fact he has Goku and Vegeta but I still favor Beerus due to UI, Hakai can be a factor but I think Gogeta will overpower it like Vegeta did to Toppo, UI is also a factor but unless he has its mastered form Beerus won’t beat him tho I feel like he has something under his sleeve given how unthreatened he was from Broly/Jiren when he encounters them tho MUI Goku did made him give his respect but there was no fear as tho Goku become his equal and not his superior, in the end Gogeta has to much power to lose his skills are enough to compete with any GoDs and just like Jiren didn’t need UI to match Goku so doesn’t Gogeta need to beat Beerus who’s only chance is if in fact he has mastered UI and keeps everyone in the dark for sports as he usually does when he fights given how strong he is. Gogeta effortlessly stomped a Beerus level enemy, he annihilates here since Beerus doesn’t get ridiculously stronger through the course of a fight like Broly does. level 1. In the movie, just the standard Super Saiyan power-up was enough for him to beat the crap out of Frieza for about an hour and it took the combined might of both Vegeta and Goku (literally) to finally take the big beast down. And questioned "How a mortal can release this much Ki?". Beerus would take this mid to high dif. IF Beerus and Gogeta ever fights Beerus will still win since he's never brought out his true power in a match. Gogeta would probably win. He didn't say that. SSB Gogeta VS UI Goku VS Beerus VS Jiren VS Broly(Battle Royale) Dragon Ball ... no one on this list is on his level, meaning if Gogeta doesn't take down Broly straight away, Broly will simply adapt and get too strong. Again, you literally have no proof whatsoever. Clearly SSJ4 Gogeta is well worth Beerus' acknowledgement. Intent: To Kill, Gogeta is NOT playing around. Super never stated how many %% Beerus was using, so he could he using 20% - 30% as an incredibly rough estimate. SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. I don’t think it’d be easy, but this one would go to Broly and Jiren. He was comparing it to his fight with Beerus during his first time fighting Beerus in his God form. User Info: SwadeDBFan2. Makes sense. Who wins? While all fusions have immense power, Gogeta's power is abnormal even by regular standards, as Vegeta and Goku's intense rivalry has brought out an exceptional power. It's pretty much been implied both in the manga and anime that Belmod is more powerful than Beerus. It all depends on who the authors like more, and its been like this for quite a while now. There wasn't any of the sort saying that Broly was stronger than Beerus. Beerus utterly stomps. I hope you are not trolling because in the English dub Goku said might be stronger than our Beerus and also probably and might are literally same thing. That is a much better debate. He's also had the training of Whis, and Angel and the most powerful being in Universe 6 (I think it's 6, maybe 7). "How can a mortal release this much Ki"? Provide the evidence Beerus stomps Broly. SS4 gogeta (dozens of times stronger)> SS4 goku (probably stronger) >= SS vegito > Buuhan (universal). spamming is not gonna change that. Frieza was still in his transformation and he was not even fatally wounded. We see that even Beerus seems taken aback by the power of SSJB Kaiokenx10 Goku, so surely Vegito is over his power at least by some margin. Frieza was literally there for 1 hour fighting Broly and not only was he able to have a few bruises and injury, but he was CONSCIOUS and he WAS IN HIS GOLDEN FORM! He didn't have to be, he and Whis were right there and free to stop him if need be. Please OP, this is so one sided. Goku stated that Broly might even surpass Beerus. In the manga he was the only one who never got injured and in the anime he has beaten Beerus in arm wrestling challenge. Utter. Jiren would easily thrash Broly when he's heavily surpressed. Not to mention he wasn’t busting the universe, he was merely ripping through the barriers to parallel dimensions until the universe collapsed. Beerus power level at 1 percent is 30 million. SSJ4 Gogeta isn't even on a level with SSB Goku, and normal ki can't damage Beerus, you need God Ki. Jiren was way stronger than the team of U7 at the time. The same can't be said while fighting Broly. There's no proof to even suggest that Broly was on Beerus' level, not even close. That means no Bluff Kamehamehas from SSJ4 Gogeta nor a portion of own's power used by Beerus (AKA Full power used). Lack of evidence. Beerus via superior inferior feats and even better worst scaling. 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